I know what you are probably thinking, "Oh man, here is another hater whining about Halo 4." Well I am generally not one to complain. In fact I say very little on these forums most of the time. I like to try and make do and get along without making waves, but I just have to speak up about Halo 4's issues too because they are there, every time I pick up the controller to forge and to play customs. I just feel the need to truly voice my frustrations and sadness about what I have personally discovered and honestly share with this great community that I have come to appreciate over the past few years. I host a small group of casual gamers weekly for custom games, as I am sure many of you do as well. Most of these guys I have known and played Halo with since the first Halo came out. We would get together for the old school pizza and LAN parties before Xbox live even existed, TVs and wires everywhere. Good times with great friends who simply love Halo. Now a days we play on maps I have made or found as well as play mini games. Based on feedback that I am getting from several gamers that I play with regularly on our custom game nights, I think I am going to go back to forging and hosting custom games on Halo Reach rather than Halo 4. I have been in denial and hate to say it, but Halo 4's forge custom games are just simply not as well made as Reach's. Guest chat is gone which is a real bummer Many of the custom mini games are no longer possible There are glitches galore in forging and playing The small maps with bad terrain are growing annoying to forge on There are so many poor forging tools or lack there of The split screen has major issues These are just a few of the problems that I am seeing and hearing about with Halo 4. The way I see it, if my custom game night players are not having as much fun as they once were, then I see no reason to continue pushing Halo 4 on everyone on our game nights when we all have a perfectly good game that we all love available to play. Don't get me wrong, I like Halo 4's campaign and online matchmaking okay, but for our custom game night, I think Halo Reach is the clear winner for so many reasons. I really wanted to like Halo 4 for customs, but the sad truth is I don't. I wanted it to continue the tradition of THIS Halo being better than all the previous Halo games, but it's not. I am simply tired of trying to "make it work" on so many levels. So my creative forging efforts for the most part will return to Reach. I will probably still tinker from time to time with Halo 4's forge and maybe some future updates will fix some of these issues, but my heart is still with, as the Vidoc put it "Bungie's swan song". So I will see you Reach lovers in the Halo Reach forums. I will still try to contribute Halo 4 maps and info from time to time, but this is a true turning point for me. I would like to know how you other seasoned players and forgers feel about doing a 180 back to Reach. Is it something you have done or considered doing as well?