Carbines. More Powerful than the Battle Rifle?

[CLIFF X13]

Tell me what you think. Are they?

[Dr. Chombie]

I'm pretty sure that the carbine is a little more powerful than the BR because of how fast you can shoot with it and how it is slightly quicker than the BR to kill an enemy but it is harder to control than the BR and that's why I like to use the BR a lot.

[CLIFF X13]

So say I was to put it on a map, would the respawn time differ from the BR? If so, by how much.

[Dr. Chombie]

Originally Posted by CLIFF X13

So say I was to put it on a map, would the respawn time differ from the BR? If so, by how much.

It all depends on the map too. When I make maps I usually have them the same because they are both well-balanced weapons with equality, only the Carbine is slightly stronger and the BR is more controllable. I think Carbines are used more around MLG than the BR so maybe in MLG maps I can see the Carbine having a slightly higher respawn time than the BR.

[The Official Y35]

I am annoyed about the lack of Carbines on maps and have posted many threads on the topic. Now I have done an analysis to determine whether the Carbine is balanced with the BR.

Results:

Carbine:
9 damage/shot
Clip: 18
Damage/clip: 162
Spread: same as BR
Shots needed to kill: 8

BR:
6 damage/shot (18/burst)
Clip: 36
Damage/clip: 216
Spread: same as Carbine
Shots needed to kill: 4

I couldn't come up with a way to compare rate of fire,so I covered this by using Damage minus spread/shot. The BR has 3 times the chance of scoring a hit per shot/burst

From this, my verdict is that the BR is more effective and is superior to the Carbine. This is because of the spread, because it is random, the BR is 3 times more likely to have a bullet score a headshot or score damage than the Carbine every shot/burst. Add to this the Carbine’s lower overall damage/clip and the evidence states that the Carbine is inferior.

From halo wiki: "Also in Halo 3 its accuracy is decreased, causing it to be less reliable then the Battle Rifle."

That result is not acceptable; the Carbine should be EQUAL to the BR and be on more maps. A simple solution would be to make the Carbine’s shots spread less or to make each shot do 10 damage.

[Dr. Chombie]

Originally Posted by The Official Y35

I am annoyed about the lack of Carbines on maps and have posted many threads on the topic. Now I have done an analysis to determine whether the Carbine is balanced with the BR.

Results:

Carbine:
9 damage/shot
Clip: 18
Damage/clip: 162
Spread: same as BR
Shots needed to kill: 8

BR:
6 damage/shot (18/burst)
Clip: 36
Damage/clip: 216
Spread: same as Carbine
Shots needed to kill: 4

I couldn't come up with a way to compare rate of fire,so I covered this by using Damage minus spread/shot. The BR has 3 times the chance of scoring a hit per shot/burst

From this, my verdict is that the BR is more effective and is superior to the Carbine. This is because of the spread, because it is random, the BR is 3 times more likely to have a bullet score a headshot or score damage than the Carbine every shot/burst. Add to this the Carbine’s lower overall damage/clip and the evidence states that the Carbine is inferior.

From halo wiki: "Also in Halo 3 its accuracy is decreased, causing it to be less reliable then the Battle Rifle."

That result is not acceptable; the Carbine should be EQUAL to the BR and be on more maps. A simple solution would be to make the Carbine’s shots spread less or to make each shot do 10 damage.

Wow. Well put. You sure owned my theory.

[CLIFF X13]

I agree. Thanks Y35 for that great guide.

[Whisper]

At mid-range, the Carbine is better. At long- and short-range, the BR is better.

[Dragull]

Results:

Carbine:
9 damage/shot
Clip: 18
Damage/clip: 162
Spread: same as BR
Shots needed to kill: 8

I was pretty sure that Carbine needs 7 shots to kill, but maybe just on MLG settings.

Anyway, i Carbine kills faster, so its more powerful, on the other hand, its harder to hit.

Overall, BR is better, but less powerful. Between both, choose the BR.

[Matty]

Carbine kills ever so slightly faster, but you have to land every bullet to do so. With a BR in MLG, you can get a 4 shot with 8-10 out of your 12 rounds hitting.

If you are hitting an easy target, then Carbine is superior, but in tough, close range fights then a BR can prevail quite frequently