Broken turrets in MLG?

[B3NW]

Originally Posted by iRaynne

I think I'm gonna throw up.
Am I reading this right? The AR takes more skill than a BR, and a BR takes no skill?
I'm not feeling well...

Read propelly, he said its harder to kill someone who is equiped with a br when you are using an ar or smg.

Thats what I read.

OT (or mods will infract me for explaining a post -.-): Does the ar shoot at a faster FR than the turret?

[Atik]

To my knowlage, the turret has a faster rate of fire, comparable to a Hog's turret.

What about Plasma Cannons?

PC is to MGT as PR is to SMG?

[B3NW]

Originally Posted by Atik

To my knowlage, the turret has a faster rate of fire, comparable to a Hog's turret.

What about Plasma Cannons?

PC is to MGT as PR is to SMG?

That is true and that was my next point actually. The PC has a fire rate comparable to the PR & it could be classed as a power weapon.

[Atik]

Just tried the PC.

With MLG settings it simply tears you apart. Could be a walking extermination machine...

[DimmestBread]

have you noticed that all weapons in MLG are semi automatic. There is a reason for that. If you miss aim, you will miss the shot and its not as easy to correct (with a few exceptions).

[Atik]

The Carbine minus will be full auto.

Although the AR, SMG, and Turrets just don't work with MLG settings. The would be comparable to rapid fire rockets.

[Orangeremi]

Please, B3NW, don't add a turret to your 'perfect' MLG map. Turrets ARE broken in MLG, so don't put them in an MLG map. And draco, don't even start on AR vs BR. That has nothing to do with this thread. And Dimmest is correct, there are no fully automatic weapons in MLG. And there's a reason for that.

[B3NW]

Originally Posted by Orangeremi

Please, B3NW, don't add a turret to your 'perfect' MLG map. Turrets ARE broken in MLG, so don't put them in an MLG map. And draco, don't even start on AR vs BR. That has nothing to do with this thread. And Dimmest is correct, there are no fully automatic weapons in MLG. And there's a reason for that.

Dont worry im not, this is just a thread to get discussion going about it.

[What's A Scope?]

Originally Posted by Ladnil

Turret in MLG = no. The same logic applies as to the SMG or AR, except worse because the turret has a longer effective range and a much larger clip. It's a skilless spray'n'pray weapon. Plus, I'm not sure how useful it would even be at high levels. The rev up second before its effective would mean your target escapes easy, and the slow movement means its easy to grenade a guy holding a turret. Basically it would only be useful if your team is already dominating the other team and you just use it to hold them down in their spawns.

And before somebody comes in and whines "BUT ROKITS IS NO SKILL 2 MLG IS DUM!" like somebody does in pretty much every MLG weapon discussion thread, rockets have much more limited ammo than a turret does, but the threat is enough to force map movement to control them. A turret on the other hand, has 200 bullets no matter what, which lasts quite a long time. Plus, as I said before, it isn't very useful unless you're already winning because you won't be winning any 1v1 battles with it or even doing effective teamshot on a target that can move around the map.

Ladnil pretty much hit the nail on the head imo.

Originally Posted by dreaddraco2

SMGs and ARs aren't "No-skill" weapons, in fact, it takes ALOT more skill to kill someone with a BR with an SMG or AR then it does with a BR.

BR's are skill-less weapons, you simply continue to aim at someone's head, 70% of the time, you beat them (unless you totally fail).

If you were trying to create an argument for the SMG or the AR you failed. If not, your reasoning is still illogical and irrelevant. Relevancy is why I will not go on about those two.

In MLG, you begin with a BR. Why would you want to choose a less superior weapon? This also applies to a turret (if viewed as less superior).

Originally Posted by Mace

It takes more skill to use a slow turning, slow wind up turret that limits movement than it does to kill someone in 4 shots with a Br.

And don't tell others not to make it into a Br Vs Ar thread, because you were the first to bring it up.

No, you are confusing "worse" with "takes more skill". As you say, a turret starts slowly and limits movement. For the first, how is that considered to need more skill? Should you tap RT as you would for a laser? That isn't skill, it's common sense. Limiting movement isn't much of a basis for skill either. Perhaps, you have to move more skillfully to compensate?

Ok, let's it takes skill to do those things. However, the rapid fire reduces the necessary amount for skill. You shoot more bullets faster. Therefore you are not punished as much as missing a BR, Carbine, or Sniper shot. If you miss a BR shot in a BR battle, you will lose. Turrets do not have the same effect.


As Insane said, a turret would slow down gameplay. That, imo, is the main reason for its exclusion.

[PulseKiller]

Turret wont be in MLG, neither will the spiker, needler, SMG, AR, any equiptment, covenant sniper, or hammer. There are many, many reasons as to why they wont be added, but the main reason is that they all lessen the skill gap as most battles when both sides have these weapons end in a tie, or very near it. The covenant sniper wont be added simply because it cannot combine ammo like the human sniper.

These discussions really do need to stop. They just turn into people talking out of their ass about things that they know nothing about. If you honestly think that a turret would play well for MLG then you either dont understand MLG at all or are just trolling. Simple as that.