Forgehub: Save Yourself

[Playerhata27]

Wow caught me off guard there Y35 but its k.

I agree with everything I said, and take none o it back. I'll be reading this later bnasty,and most likely agree with it. I'll post my part of E93's,Y35's,Zstrike's and my rant.

On April 21st, 2008 my life changed. I have heard about a website, but not just any old website. This one in particular was different from any other I ever visited. Its name was Forge Hub.


I heard forging legends were made on that very site. They had flawless maps, some that could be mistaken to be made by Bungie themselves. So I quickly registered an account and began my journey through out Forge Hub. Upon my arrival, I was a bit, lets say 'noobish'. I didn't intend to make friends, or actually post that much, unless it would reward me in the end.. My real goal was just to download maps, and learn new techniques of making my own creations better.


After a while I learned there was more to Forge Hub then just a maps forum. So I soon ventured out into the depths of this so called site. I found an underlying community, of friends and people like you and me. Some with different positions as others, and some with different personalities than others. But together we all held together Forge Hub itself. I soon looked up to many staff and admins, almost as 'gods'. I felt like I needed to do my part, and get noticed. So I started posting much more frequently. Soon enough I was infracted for spamming. I then started to catch on to using grammar, and punctation. Not just your friend talk, but now I felt more mature postign this way. Then I found a mysterious forum named “Off Topic.” This forum was probably the most social one of them all, seeing post's in there would not count to your over all count. So I saw threads like “1,000 Post Party Countdown” and “ORLY/OM NOM/IM IN UR/LOLCAT/ ect Pic Thread” and other big-timers. But more than that I found the people them selves. Legedns like Titmar, or squidhands, to name a few. I quickly started to try to be 'like' them but failed at doing so. I could see I was annyoing some of the members. After that I just tried to be myself. It worked out pretty good. I then started to fit in with the rest, and have some LOL's here and there. But more than that, I had friends. Never would I think that an Online Halo 3 forum would provide with such neccesities and humor. I started loving this Forge Hub. Later on I made a map that I could call my own, I became frequent in the 1,000,000 post party countdown, and basically stayed active around the site. I've seen so many epic, and bad times at the site. To name a few were th Revolution of Rep, Reynboy's epic power unleashes, Titmar loses his throne, and others. I felt connected to this site.

1. 1. 
      Though one day in August my computer broke. Oh was it a horror, not to go on Forge Hub. I literally couldn't stand it without my beloved Forge Hub, which sounds pathetic, but I don't care. Though in a month give or take, I returned to Forge Hub even better this time. I see a missed a lot in such a little month. I missed the famous specsopgrunt “I'm 13 and almost have a girlfriend”, and skittles gettind banned, again. But I was back and thats all that mattered. I quickly noticed how one month had hnaged people rep bars from about 4 being the highest to 10 full bars of rep. I to then realized rep was out of hand, but was still a nice little thank you in good cases. I saw old faces and new ones. I saw how popular some members were now. I came back to my beloved 1,000,000 post party countdown, where I spent most of my time. Though there was also another change in the people and of Forgehub.

Some popular members when I departed like DragonCoals, and vinny were some causes of my frustration. Dragoncoals, who I will be referring to as DQ was the old owner of the site. An admin too. He soon lost that though after wanting to be more active. He was demoted to loyal. Though he would spam off topic with threads about nothing, and the same with posts. He recently got banned, but still hasn't lost his rank. Now I'm pretty sure its because of his pre ownership of Forge Hub. I and maybe some others think thats unfai that just beacause he was the old owner, it warrants him to run amok posting whatever and not facing the normal consequences I and other users would face? Not to Vinny, I know hes a somewhat cool guys, but at times he can be a real douche. He would just go around making fun of those less superior than himself. Now I myself have seen some mods let him pass by a well earned infraction or something that would pretrain to me as trouble.I will talk about member troubles later.


I also noticed the big number of spam that hit Forge Hub. In almost any map thread, or forum you will find at least 2-3 spam comments. Now I understand that newer members will be less likely to follow the rules or read them. But there are solutions to this. I don't want to see Forge Hub turn in to Bungie.net. I want to see map reviews on every post. I want to see members that put time and effort into their posts. But I know thats a huge favor of asking Forge Hub.


Another big problem was ranks given to members of Forge Hub. There are 3 loyals that haven't been active since around the summer. But I know thats not a big problem, just a simple matter of demotion. But what I find now is that almost a person to more more friendly with the staff has a higher chance to be promoted. Now before you think I'm sayign the staff is corrup, well I'm not. I know they try as hard as they can, even harder to make Forge Hub as great as it is today. But I see too much members receiving loyal due to their Xbox Live duty, rather than their Forge Hub one. I know you have a higher chance of making it up there if you know all some higher ups. But I see to many people are being over looked for loyal by their popularity. I've seen some mebers post something that I've mistaken for a loyal or staff posting.THIS IS NOT A BEG FOR LOYAL, I UNDERSTAND IF I DESERVED IT I WOULD GET IT. As I said before I feel thats its unfair to those that qualify for loyal but are just aren't good friends with the staff. Now listen here of course I would love to receive loyal. But when it is my time, depending if that time comes, then I shall get it. So please don't think that this is a plead for it.


Now some of the staff may be thinking well thats why were staff, we were given the responsibilty of doing our job and thats why you don't have it. But you were members like us one day, and I'm sure you had some ideas about Forge Hub that you think could benefit everyone just it didn't happen. Forge Hub's a great community. I wouldn't want to see it crumble apart by these little factors that are starting to cause big problems.


Here are basically my solutions to all these problems.

• Spam- We all hate it, and want it to stop. But there seems to be no foolproff system of it stopping. Heres my plan. When a member first joins they're redirected to the rules page. Another one is maybe a user under a certain required number of posts has a reminder somewhere by their reply reminding them of the posting rules. Another one is maybe a person under 50 posts or so has to have every post checked before posted. Though that one would be a hassle for mods seeing theres a lot off people under 25 posts that post.
• Members- All I can say is ban them. I belive DQ should have been banned already for all his non sense. Vinny too. Whatever pre friend ship you had with them should not win them a get out of jail free. Because isn't that the reason you guys go to give infractions anyways?
• Member Ranks- This is probably one of the most hardest problem to solve. Because no matter what some one will see it unfit that so and so wasn't qualified for the job. I'm also pretty sure you guys discuss upcoming loyals and such in the private forums. But remember that poll for nect loyal? I belive Dom, and neverless one it in a tie. Well that made the community feel great and like part of the staff. I'm not saying you should have this everytime a new loyal or staff is being elected, because then whats the point of those private fourms? What I'm saying is maybe every month or two motnhs have that poll. You providing us with the list, or maybe one time ourselves will provide a list of people that we want to see be promoted.

1. 1. Well thats it. I tried to be as down to earth as possible. Some of these were my opionions, and some were just thoughts of others. How I see it is that Forge Hub is still great, but it could be better.

[Draxfear]

Man, you guys are deep. I think I'm definitely more of a 'just accept it' person.

[bnasty574]

Originally Posted by Chipsinabox

Bnasty, I like that you actually took some initiative to make this thread. The timing could have been better though. You leave for a while, then come back to criticize the website.

I've been lurking from time to time. I just was fed up with all the crap that changed and saw no need to sit around and watch the site self implode.

[Box Cat]

Your info. regarding The Fall of ForgeHub is indeed very accurate.

It's amazing how fame and a larger community can completely alter a simple little group. But now that ForgeHub has fallen into these deep dark depths, I belive it's impossible to now recover.

Yes, most users want popularity and positive reputation, including myself, but what is there to do now? Nothing.

[Playerhata27]

Originally Posted by Bahh M15

Your info. regarding The Fall of ForgeHub is indeed very accurate.

It's amazing how fame and a larger community can completely alter a simple little group. But now that ForgeHub has fallen into these deep dark depths, I belive it's impossible to now recover.

Yes, most users want popularity and positive reputation, including myself, but what is there to do now? Nothing.

See thats the thing with most people here. They think theres nothing to do. Well actually there is. Why sit around an watch this site self destruct?

[Insane54]

Originally Posted by Playerhata27

Wow caught me off guard there Y35 but its k.

I agree with everything I said, and take none o it back. I'll be reading this later bnasty,and most likely agree with it. I'll post my part of E93's,Y35's,Zstrike's and my rant.

On April 21st, 2008 my life changed. I have heard about a website, but not just any old website. This one in particular was different from any other I ever visited. Its name was Forge Hub.


I heard forging legends were made on that very site. They had flawless maps, some that could be mistaken to be made by Bungie themselves. So I quickly registered an account and began my journey through out Forge Hub. Upon my arrival, I was a bit, lets say 'noobish'. I didn't intend to make friends, or actually post that much, unless it would reward me in the end.. My real goal was just to download maps, and learn new techniques of making my own creations better.


After a while I learned there was more to Forge Hub then just a maps forum. So I soon ventured out into the depths of this so called site. I found an underlying community, of friends and people like you and me. Some with different positions as others, and some with different personalities than others. But together we all held together Forge Hub itself. I soon looked up to many staff and admins, almost as 'gods'. I felt like I needed to do my part, and get noticed. So I started posting much more frequently. Soon enough I was infracted for spamming. I then started to catch on to using grammar, and punctation. Not just your friend talk, but now I felt more mature postign this way. Then I found a mysterious forum named “Off Topic.” This forum was probably the most social one of them all, seeing post's in there would not count to your over all count. So I saw threads like “1,000 Post Party Countdown” and “ORLY/OM NOM/IM IN UR/LOLCAT/ ect Pic Thread” and other big-timers. But more than that I found the people them selves. Legedns like Titmar, or squidhands, to name a few. I quickly started to try to be 'like' them but failed at doing so. I could see I was annyoing some of the members. After that I just tried to be myself. It worked out pretty good. I then started to fit in with the rest, and have some LOL's here and there. But more than that, I had friends. Never would I think that an Online Halo 3 forum would provide with such neccesities and humor. I started loving this Forge Hub. Later on I made a map that I could call my own, I became frequent in the 1,000,000 post party countdown, and basically stayed active around the site. I've seen so many epic, and bad times at the site. To name a few were th Revolution of Rep, Reynboy's epic power unleashes, Titmar loses his throne, and others. I felt connected to this site.

1. 1. 
      Though one day in August my computer broke. Oh was it a horror, not to go on Forge Hub. I literally couldn't stand it without my beloved Forge Hub, which sounds pathetic, but I don't care. Though in a month give or take, I returned to Forge Hub even better this time. I see a missed a lot in such a little month. I missed the famous specsopgrunt “I'm 13 and almost have a girlfriend”, and skittles gettind banned, again. But I was back and thats all that mattered. I quickly noticed how one month had hnaged people rep bars from about 4 being the highest to 10 full bars of rep. I to then realized rep was out of hand, but was still a nice little thank you in good cases. I saw old faces and new ones. I saw how popular some members were now. I came back to my beloved 1,000,000 post party countdown, where I spent most of my time. Though there was also another change in the people and of Forgehub.

Some popular members when I departed like DragonCoals, and vinny were some causes of my frustration. Dragoncoals, who I will be referring to as DQ was the old owner of the site. An admin too. He soon lost that though after wanting to be more active. He was demoted to loyal. Though he would spam off topic with threads about nothing, and the same with posts. He recently got banned, but still hasn't lost his rank. Now I'm pretty sure its because of his pre ownership of Forge Hub. I and maybe some others think thats unfai that just beacause he was the old owner, it warrants him to run amok posting whatever and not facing the normal consequences I and other users would face? Not to Vinny, I know hes a somewhat cool guys, but at times he can be a real douche. He would just go around making fun of those less superior than himself. Now I myself have seen some mods let him pass by a well earned infraction or something that would pretrain to me as trouble.I will talk about member troubles later.


I also noticed the big number of spam that hit Forge Hub. In almost any map thread, or forum you will find at least 2-3 spam comments. Now I understand that newer members will be less likely to follow the rules or read them. But there are solutions to this. I don't want to see Forge Hub turn in to Bungie.net. I want to see map reviews on every post. I want to see members that put time and effort into their posts. But I know thats a huge favor of asking Forge Hub.


Another big problem was ranks given to members of Forge Hub. There are 3 loyals that haven't been active since around the summer. But I know thats not a big problem, just a simple matter of demotion. But what I find now is that almost a person to more more friendly with the staff has a higher chance to be promoted. Now before you think I'm sayign the staff is corrup, well I'm not. I know they try as hard as they can, even harder to make Forge Hub as great as it is today. But I see too much members receiving loyal due to their Xbox Live duty, rather than their Forge Hub one. I know you have a higher chance of making it up there if you know all some higher ups. But I see to many people are being over looked for loyal by their popularity. I've seen some mebers post something that I've mistaken for a loyal or staff posting.THIS IS NOT A BEG FOR LOYAL, I UNDERSTAND IF I DESERVED IT I WOULD GET IT. As I said before I feel thats its unfair to those that qualify for loyal but are just aren't good friends with the staff. Now listen here of course I would love to receive loyal. But when it is my time, depending if that time comes, then I shall get it. So please don't think that this is a plead for it.


Now some of the staff may be thinking well thats why were staff, we were given the responsibilty of doing our job and thats why you don't have it. But you were members like us one day, and I'm sure you had some ideas about Forge Hub that you think could benefit everyone just it didn't happen. Forge Hub's a great community. I wouldn't want to see it crumble apart by these little factors that are starting to cause big problems.


Here are basically my solutions to all these problems.

• Spam- We all hate it, and want it to stop. But there seems to be no foolproff system of it stopping. Heres my plan. When a member first joins they're redirected to the rules page. Another one is maybe a user under a certain required number of posts has a reminder somewhere by their reply reminding them of the posting rules. Another one is maybe a person under 50 posts or so has to have every post checked before posted. Though that one would be a hassle for mods seeing theres a lot off people under 25 posts that post.
• Members- All I can say is ban them. I belive DQ should have been banned already for all his non sense. Vinny too. Whatever pre friend ship you had with them should not win them a get out of jail free. Because isn't that the reason you guys go to give infractions anyways?
• Member Ranks- This is probably one of the most hardest problem to solve. Because no matter what some one will see it unfit that so and so wasn't qualified for the job. I'm also pretty sure you guys discuss upcoming loyals and such in the private forums. But remember that poll for nect loyal? I belive Dom, and neverless one it in a tie. Well that made the community feel great and like part of the staff. I'm not saying you should have this everytime a new loyal or staff is being elected, because then whats the point of those private fourms? What I'm saying is maybe every month or two motnhs have that poll. You providing us with the list, or maybe one time ourselves will provide a list of people that we want to see be promoted.

1. 1. Well thats it. I tried to be as down to earth as possible. Some of these were my opionions, and some were just thoughts of others. How I see it is that Forge Hub is still great, but it could be better.

You need to understand that this has been going on since we started. Your relatively new to FH compared to some of us. This is how every major forum goes, there are ranks, and we give them to people. As much as I'd like to say that FH is all that matters, its not true. Any Loyal or Premium or higher is constantly a representative of FH whenever he's on FH or Xbox.

This is also the reason we havent done the polls anymore. It turned into a popularity contest, and thats not what we want. We pick, what I think, are the best possible Loyals and Staff. We seem to do a good job choosing them, and I think Vorpal is a good choice. The 3 that aren't active are under a discussion if they are to be demoted or not.

Dragoncoals has been banned, repeatedly. Often - and most often - it isn't a fair infraction. He's not getting special attention.

The whole 'new member' thing is impossible to fix. I'm sorry, but its like every forum. I've mentioned it before and I'll say it again, don't just expect the staff to do everything for you. If you really care so much, take the initiative. We have lives you know, and we do a ridiculous amount of reported posts. Another problem is that a good 50% or more of posts can be considered spam. We don't want to drive away our members, so we need to maintain a certain degree of what is allowed and what isn't. If you, the member, would like to help us make the forum a better place, try messaging a guy. Maybe he doesn't fully understand that there should be thought out responses to maps, and so on. In that way, we can all benefit. Reported posts are still welcome, though, as long as they are truly worthy of an infraction or warning.

[Knight Kninja]

well, i feel i do not have to write up a huge essay on this, but simply give my input that i agree, we could use some more active members that post meaningful posts..

*also, the graphics and arts section is slowly disappearing... no one posts there anymore. we do need new members, but we also need good ones.

[Draxfear]

Originally Posted by knight kninja

also, the graphics and arts section is slowly disappearing... no one posts there anymore. we do need new members, but we also need good ones.

I know what you mean! It used to be buzzing for a while, but now its not. There's only a few of us who really stay active in G&A and its a shame.

[Chipsinabox]

The G&A section has become a giant sig shop.

[Knight Kninja]

well i posted a sig gallery in an effort to rekindle it.

off topic has been dying as well.. everything is winding down.. hopefully Christmas break time we will gain some members, and when some of us get back from vacation we will have more people.